It’s been nearly a year since David Ayer’s Suicide Squad divided fans (yet made a ton of money at the box office and inspired 2016’s Halloween costumes). While the movie had several moments of WTF, there’s one glaring mistake that nearly everyone missed involving Jared Leto’s Joker.
You see, the Joker’s gangster look drew the ire of fans. However, his metal grill was something that we could all get behind, particularly after Ayer described the reasoning for it. In an interview promoting the film, Ayer said the following of his creative decision:
“This is sort of my personal thing and maybe less about a larger connection. But Joker killed Robin and Batman basically smashes his teeth out and locks him up in Arkham Asylum.”
Sounds cool and a nice tribute to A Death in the Family, right? At the same time, keep in mind that when we’re introduced to Harley Quinn in the film, her bio says she was an accomplice in Robin’s murder.
So, here’s the weird part, when Harley, as Dr Harleen Quinzel, meets the Joker for the first time, he already has the metal grill and is in Arkham Asylum. So, then what? How can she be an accomplice to the murder if the Joker’s teeth have already been knocked out, or is the grill merely an afterthought?
We think that Ayer owes us an explanation about this, because this is one gargantuan plot hole.
I did notice that. Huge oversight
That doesn’t make it a plot hole if you are asking if it was a creative decision or not.
The moment you try to ridicule someone or something as being the “worst” but instead deem it the “worse mistake”.
Good point.
Caitlin
Dean
Doesn’t there need to be a plot for plotholes?
I love this comment
There was a plot. Get freaks together to fight other freaks. That’s a plot.
Waller shooting her coworkers in front of Deadshot was out of character for a fed.
She helped him in her role as Doctor at Arkham, before becoming Harley. That still makes her an accomplice. No one said the shots we saw of them together was the first time they met or the first time he was locked up.
Was literally about to write that.
Dude the whole movie was a giant plot hole.
I can’t believe I just wasted 4 minutes of my life reading that. It’s really not that big of a plot hole considering the whole movie was a giant dud
Amen!
It took you 4 minutes to read two paragraphs?
4 minutes?? Did you know the average newspaper is based off of an eighth grade reading level. They like to think that the general public only has the capability of reading at an eighth grade reading level. Just a thought. 4 minutes…
Why did it take you 4 minutes to read that?
I’m dyslexic and that took me a minute. Although I did stare at the picture of Morgot Robbie for 3 minutes. Damn she’s hot.
I enjoyed the Batman parts……glad I didn’t pay movie price to see that 2 min
I’ll stick to my one comment why was magic neccesary in a movie full of street/building level villains.
But what confuses me about this is if the grill was a nod to A death in the family Harley Quinn wouldn’t have been involved as she technically was not created until the early to mid 90,s and a death in the family was 88-89
Comics. Movies. Not the same.
No they are not but don’t make the comment that a particularly aspect stems from a certain story that was published 5-6 years before a certain character was created and call it a plot hole
Once again,
Comics. Movies. Not the same.
Waaahhhh, wah wah wah wah waahhh, waaaahhhhh waaahhhhh, who cares, the movie was terrible!
Oh you mean the ENTIRE length of his gargantuan waste of time?
Well its possibly a hole in letos explaination.
Its entirely possible that Harley used her status as a doctor to help the joker hide robins death.
The entire movie was a mistake. What were they thinking?
Nobody gives a shit.
Im just glad dc did something different then Marvel. Too often marvel seems to innovate more then dc does.
Ive always wondered if dc should emphasise the villans over the heros in their films. Its absolutely something that marvel isnt doing and might be worth a shot
Only now is Marvel beating DC. Think of the past:
Richard Donner Superman VS Afro Spiderman
Tim Burton Batman VS David Hasselhoff Nick Cage
Dark Night Series VS Jessica Alba Fantastic Four
The difference is the birth of Marvel Studios which came about because Marvel had to save their bankruptcy. But now Marvel Comics is in control of their own franchise, whereas DC still has to deal with outside studios and too much gets lost in translation.
On a side note, Raimi’s Spiderman series was awesome. …except for 3. 3 was a bag of poop.
I’ve been saying this since the day Ayer announced the story of his teeth and Damaged tattoo. This is why Ayer needs to be kept the fuck away from DC movies.
This^
Yea it’s called the joker
Hamza Khalid
The joker wasn’t Jason. It was tim. Harley fried his brain with electroshock, killing off certain memories (jokers own words) and maybe implanted other memories in there. Don’t forget harley has a history of manipulating the men in her life. Maybe that’s who this joker is. Tim drake. (just a theory. No need for negativity)
Batman would never leave Tim to rot in Arkham.
Maybe by that time, Tim had been full gone into the psychosis. And where else would be put him? Blackgate? Once again, it’s a guess. Maybe I’m wrong.
Yeah, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Kind of undermines this Joker’s status as Batman’s archenemy if he’s just a pissed-off ex-Robin.
Dude, in the cartoon, Tim was joker, Jr. In Batman beyond, he was the new joker. Why is it such a stretch to think joker, before his death, put a plan in motion? He is good for those kind of things.
Also the scars on Joker correlate with the damages on the Robin suit, implying the Joker is that Robin. This Robin was confirmed to not be Jason, and it has Tim’s staff.
It didn’t work on ‘The Dark Knight Strikes Again’ and it wouldn’t work here. What would it accomplish apart from pointless drama?
It would work, in fact. They can fuse the canon reason Tim turned to the movie. That’s if they use their heads.
And maybe Batman found this out and shattered his teeth. (How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?)
Hardly a plot hole if you have to dig just to find out about the teeth in first place. The scene should have at least been in the movie or even the scene they are using the picture for (joker post helicopter crash)
I figured the worst was adding Jared Letto, the joker, or trying to promote the movie based on him trying to get “in character”.
That is not a gargantuan plot hole. That’s a continuity goof…Idiots.
I didnt miss anything it was leto
There’s a lot of things missing from suicide squad that I really wish they put in the movie my problem most of all with Suicide Squad as much as I enjoy the movie there’s one flaw that this movie has and that’s Harley’s origin story wasn’t told right I feel like they should have told it the way it was told in the Animated Series because we all know that Harley and Jokers relationship was never perfect at all her relationship with the Joker was very abusive I hate how they made their relationship look all lovey dovey when it was never like that at all
This relationship was hardly perfect considering how Joker manipulates her and tortures her with electroshock. Then telling her to go away later on.
I think we saw it the way Harley saw it, in the movie.
Watch the animated version its 10 times better
It might not have been for the murder of Robin, but it’s more than likely that it was Batman who knocked Joker’s teeth out- just for some other reason. Maybe for the crippling of Barbara Gordon
Worst
The mistake was the entire movie
Doesn’t matter, I still love the film and think it’s great.
I think if they would have went with Ayers first version on Suicide squad , people wouldn’t hate or dislike so much
I have a feeling the jokers scenes were cut Bc of his poor performance
Whats left in the film is cringe worthy
I like the idea of Jared Leto joker there is still hope for a great performance but he needs to tweak the character a bit
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Jarrod Saunders (worse mistake)
the worstest ever
Casting leto was the worst mistake….
I disagree , but I accept you’re opinion
I disagree as well, he is an amazing actor. Don’t hate on the actor for the writers mistakes.
I disagree
So ive heard
Why was him casted a mistake? If I may ask
Cuz he sucked! To flamboyant its like he tried way to hard and that laugh which is god awful, sounds like a mixture of popeye and the aliens from mars attacks! Ak ak ak ak ak
The joker is famboyant, he didn’t sound like popeye or the aliens form , when Mars attacked. I don’t get that
I honestly cant remember a single line of his dialog either. Completely forgettable performance
Eccentric maybe, not flamboyant
Maybe if you would give him a chance instead of judging to quickly, you would like him
Ive seen the film 3 times and i was one of the dumb asses defending letos casting before the movie was released, i stand by my opinion….
The people that like leto , or defend him aren’t dumbasses, I stand by mine. And again I accept youres
Dont get me wrong i like leto as an actor, requiem for a dream is one of my all time favorite movies, but i hated him as the joker
Well , nobody is making you like him but I really don’t understand the hate or dislike. But people like different things
That’s a good one
Leto was the worst casting they could come up with. Might as well have been Jim Carrey, with Leto’s crappy attempt at sounding like him along with the cringey purrs, i thought i was watching Ace Ventura.
That laugh was the worst! He sounded half retarded with that cackle!
Yeah exactly. The defenders of Leto’s joker with the argument that it was only a few minutes. I can only imagine the torture of having to watch a full performance. Ive been told that it was a growl……..like ok if you like crap performance that’s good for you.
Assault on Arkham was a better take on what Suicide Squad didnt even try to do.
his Joker reminded me of a retarded Tony Montana on crack
Ahahahaahah oh god that’s too funny.
Harley was so fkn overrated as well, Slipknot’s murder was pure comedy laughed my ass out, Will Smith be Will Smith-ing as usual, last battle was, oh i don’t even wanna comment on that, bunch of bad asses started a gay bromance in the end, totally missed the point of the Suicide Squad, hot garbage that movie was
Tony monana with pop eyes cackle
i tried to defend him before the movie came out when people were shitting on him, after i watched it, i had to avoid people for a month cause i was ashamed of Leto’s Joker aka Ryuk
Woooow you’re dumb lol.
Did anyone really expect this to be a good film? I appreciate it for the little things, playing Margot on a loop in her suspension scene.
I actually think it is a good film
I like it better than any film in it’s genre atm tbh, despite it’s “flaws”, I can sit through it, I can’t sit through many action films without wanting to claw my eyes out, so they got something right
It had its moments but I also think it was a good movie
I didnt. Id say Leto and crappy writers made it suck ass.
Glad i didnt pay anything to watch it. Watching it for free was even an insult.
The movie was effing terrible who cares about this little issue when you have a completely botched effort?
The fact Harley wants a normal life
It was a bad movie the cartoon on Netflix was 100x better
…Other than the fact that Leto was in it?
The whole movie was a worst mistake
Is the worst mistake the awful poser Joker?
I don’t really think that’s why they put that shit in his mouth. The reason given initially started as an internet rumor immediately after the first promo photo was released and people canned it. I’m thinking they just latched onto that and used it to justify that stupid ass grill in hopes people would think it was cool. This was the worst big screen joker to date in my opinion.
The joker isn’t the problem. It’s the people who put him in the movie in the first place. The joker is THE villain in dc lore (shout outs to darkseid). He had no business being in this movie. They more than likely didn’t know how to make harley work without adding joker. Honestly, if they did gangster joker (2nd favorite joker archetype) in a detective driven Batman story, maybe we could have been talking different about Leto. But, that’s my opinion. And I know how the fandom feels about opinions.
He was in the last suicide squad comics though… also Leto is the gangster joker
Jack Nicholson was the first (arguably best) interpretation of the gangster joker.
I agree there
It’s all an opinion anyway. I tend to separate the movie from the comic so I don’t get butthurt over canon. Makes it easier to find silver linings and think of better ways certain characters would exist in other superhero movies. Like maybe update Tim Burton’s Batman and you could recast leto’s joker (without harley) and drop him in with batfleck. Or some other shit lol
I still wonder why the joker didnt lead them. One would think that he would have been the top dog in that orginization.
Cause joker has never been in the suicide squads roster. He’s been an antagonist. But never a member. We’ll see this joker again in the sirens movie. I’m sure of it.
^^^yep
The bigger plot hole was having Suicide Squad formed only for it to cave on itself immediately
And slipnot die immediately as well. It’s like, what was even the point in having him in it?
One of the members goes rogue immediately, ends up destroying/enslaving half the city. Voids the entire purpose of the movie to begin with.
No it doesn’t? That’s not a plot hole that’s a plot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSYgj7dtxJg
Y’all I loved this movie considering I’m not a comic or animated film nerd, respectively. And I honestly don’t care about the grill. The title is a good eye catcher, but everything else is a fail. Hey everyone only talks about the joker and Harley Quinn, what about croc lol…and diablo… and that one australian guy!
who is to say this was jokers first trip to arkham at the hands of the bat? routinely his enemies are dropped and escape, makes sense she would fall in love after multiple sessions. they escaped and killed robin together, accomplice is vague. also the movie was a dumpster fire when it could have been great. leto pulled it off well. would have like eastwood as grayson undercover for bruce just to set up the newly announced nightwing. picture a short scene of Bruce at his computer in the cave and grayson givin him short sitrep on the squad. short bc of a dead robin and short for disdain for one another.
nicholson played the part well but was a gangster before and then just added makeup. the whole thing wad god awful. seriously what was the point of the team? they were pit together to face an enemy that didnt exist yet? croc was awful cpt boomerang (that one australian guy lol) was ok as a nutball. flagg was ok he was basically just every other character joel kinneman has ever played, joker was decent aside from the grill (if he isnt the original it fits better). the rest were on par w the climax which was sub par. the problem is characters like harley quinn and deadpool are suvh useless and over used characters and are only used B.C. dbag teens and early 20s kids are completely useless and love em. sequel needs to get scrapped and since it wont it needs to learn from this dumpster fire.
Simple. Dental work. Implants or dentures with a grill on them later on after the teeth are knocked out. It isn’t rocket science.
how is this the worst thing in Suicide Squad. Its not even alluded to in the film, and the joker is in like 5 minutes of it. Thanks for wasting my time in this click bait, terrible, lazy article.
He only said it after he was getting shit for a terrible joker.
I’m among the many comic fans who don’t understand how Ayer keeps getting superhero gigs. However, what he says in an interview doesn’t appear in the film. It’s not a “mistake” in the film, it doesn’t run counter to anything seen or said in the film, the teeth explanation is never even offered. Mexican Juggalo Joker as a whole was the mistake. No one missed that.